A Firesign Chat


||||||||| Catherwood re-enters the Waiting Room and explains "This is the main discussion room which is logged each night."
||||||||| Catherwood announces, "The time is 4:33 AM - I now declare Thursday's chat log for February 06, 2003 officially open!"... and then, he retires back to the vestibule...
||||||||| Catherwood strides in with a trumpet, plays a fanfare, and proclaims "Nine PM on Thursday, February 06, 2003 - I now declare alt.comedy.firesgn-thtre's chat officially open!" -- then he looks around at the empty room, looks at his watch, and mumbles "...am I early?"
||||||||| Outside, the 9:01 PM downtown bus from Funfun Town pulls away, leaving Merlyn LeRoy coughing in a cloud of diesel fumes.
||||||||| Catherwood trudges in at 9:03 PM, dragging mrmuckle by one foot and asks "Can anyone vouch for this bozo?"
mrmuckle: What ho, Fellow Seekers!
||||||||| Catherwood strides up and snorts derisively "Presenting 'Kend^', just granted probation at 9:04 PM", then leaves hurriedly.
Kend^: good evening, brian, mrmuckle
Merlyn LeRoy: helloo... I'm kinda busy writing email just now
Kend^: go for it
Merlyn LeRoy: careful of the light bulbs, Mr. Muckle!
mrmuckle: Hmmmp! Got that door closed again, huh?!?!
Kend^: closed doors of perception?
Merlyn LeRoy: siddown, honey!
Kend^: siddhartha, honey?
Kend^: made by enlightened bees
||||||||| Catherwood escorts cat in through the front door at 9:13 PM, picks up his cues (only slightly scorched), and heads for the billiard room.
Kend^: hi cat
cat: people are here? you havent all been sent to iraq yet?
mrmuckle: bee's knee's and pepper trees all fall down in a row
Kend^: too old here, and canada is too close
cat: and we dont get drafted. just drafty
mrmuckle: you got that right!
cat: back to watching the news
Kend^: rest assured nothing good on the news tonight
mrmuckle: no news is GOOD...
||||||||| Catherwood enters with Dave close behind, mutters something about disrupting his 9:15 PM tree-stunting plans, and runs off to the Aviary.
Kend^: but, if you're a bushman, no gnus is bad news
Kend^: hi dave
Dave enters, clears his throat, and goes in to a corner
Dave: er, with the black dog unfortunately
Kend^: dave, this is a round room. no corners
Dave: fuck that, there are corners
Kend^: the president has his oval orifice, er, office, we have the round waiting room
Dave: hey ken why the old spelling?
mrmuckle: that's not a corner in my pocket, we're just glad to see you...
Kend^: back by popular demand. several asked me why i gave it up, i decided to humor them for once
cat: hi dave
Dave: hey Cat, watch the claws when shaking hands, er, claws
Kend^: a throwback to an earlier era, the i r c funtimes of past months and years
cat: santa coming to town?
Dave: yeah I know I've read some of the old logs
Kend^: only if you have been a good boy
Kend^: those old cheese logs aren't moldy yet?
Dave: wrong season, but, which season?
Merlyn LeRoy: neandertal ken
Dave: that's a pun on Nick Drake's record producer's label
Merlyn LeRoy: goes with cro-magnon barie
Merlyn LeRoy: barbie
Kend^: brian, did you just watch the show about them on history channel? if not, then strange coincidence
Merlyn LeRoy: I think it was coming on
Merlyn LeRoy: how about santa Klaus Barbie
Kend^: they posit that we are the result of original interbreeding with them
Merlyn LeRoy: performs experiments on your other dolls
cat: hey merl, what video editing software do you use?
Kend^: does klaus come with disposable yellow stars?
Merlyn LeRoy: I use adobe premiere
cat: really?
cat: ve downloaded premiere 6 for a 30 day trial. a friend has it
cat: do you have a mac?
Merlyn LeRoy: yes, I have premiere 6 and a mac
cat: the college i tried to get into a video editing course i now discover only teaches final edit pro 3, which only runs on macs, which i do not have
cat: i wondered if i'd need a new computer and whether it owuld be worth it
Merlyn LeRoy: it isn't too hard to use
Kend^: cat: help bring the world out of recession, go buy one
Merlyn LeRoy: how long have you had premiere 6 to try?
cat: premiere? my friend gave me a lesson last week but i still cant get it to combine 2 scenes together
Merlyn LeRoy: combine them how?
cat: i shot my actor against a blue screen and tried to combine her with some footage we shot in sask last year.
cat: i read about 70 reviews of premiere 6 on a review site somewhere yesrterday, 2 to 1 in favour, but the ones that hated it really hated it
cat: one image/scene on top of another. that's what the blue screen shoot was for
Merlyn LeRoy: what'd they hate?
cat: i've had it for 2 weeks and thus only 2 more weks to diecdie whether to buy it
cat: y dell came with video wave 4 which i can't even get to add an audio track to!!!!
cat: i'll find the link and send it to you. you'll understand farbetter than i
Merlyn LeRoy: for compositing, try clip->video options->transparency and try chroma key
cat: i'd much rather talk to 2 people who have premiere 6 than buy a mac and then learn final cut. the review calls it a Steep Learning Curve and i cant even learn really simple things
cat: i've done that, merl. still cant' get the two scenes to combine anywhere i can see it
Merlyn LeRoy: also, the clip has to be in a superimpose track (the default setup has track 2 as a superimpose track)
cat: one of the reviewws said you have to render it before you can see it.
cat: right. got that. still no luck
Kend^: cat used to hate "tech talk" now he's starting it. ah, the irony (or is that coppery?)
Merlyn LeRoy: You should be able to render just the current frame you're looking at, to see the effect
cat: but my friend who has premier at least lives in this province
||||||||| Outside, the 9:28 PM downtown bus from Funfun Town pulls away, leaving Dexter Fong coughing in a cloud of diesel fumes.
Merlyn LeRoy: do you just see all the upper track (presumably the person against blue)?
Dexter Fong: Hack Hack Phew
cat: yeah, i dont want to bore all the non video editors with this kinda stuff. i recall how computerese always bothered me
Kend^: mr. dex, welcome abroad, er, aboard
Kend^: cat: don't worry about it. i mentally ignore that which doesn't concern me
cat: i can see on eor the other, but not them superimposed even when i did the transperency chroma thing
Dexter Fong: Hi Ken , ca, Merl, Dave , and a fading Mr Muckle
cat: hi dex
Merlyn LeRoy: hmm, maybe the color settings are so off none of the pixels are transparent.
Kend^: watch that muckle, he pops back without notice. hide anything you don't want him to see
Dexter Fong: I want him to see everything
mrmuckle: .........(I'm just relaxing and reading as the screen refreshes...I ain't goin nowhere...)
Kend^: you never told me you were an exhibitionist
cat: yeah, that's weird. i used a real blue screen from the only company in town that rents them, had it all properly lit by the lighting crew, didnt have my actress wearing blue, etc, and when i tried to cancel the screen, it just turned green!
Kend^: muck: none of us are going anywhere. it's just the background moving while we sit still
Dexter Fong: Ken: I'm not...I'm an exhibitor
Dexter Fong: Ex hibit or bust
Merlyn LeRoy: Cat, this is for mac premiere, but it should be close enough: http://www.creativemac.com/2001/05_may/tutorials/totalpremiere06/totalpremiere06-page1.htm
Kend^: ah, a higher class of person
cat: i also downloaded vegas 4 for a 30 day trial but i'll likely go with premiere 6 or 6.5 or whatever the latest is
Merlyn LeRoy: it actually has a quicktime movie of compositing a blue screen
cat: yeah, my friend told me to take the tutorial but maybe i dont get it with the 30 premiere. i'll try that. thanks
Dexter Fong: I see we're in the middle of techie talk =))....and Cat's right there too
Dexter Fong: Anyone here from Klok?
cat: my friend made the videos on the bitsite with premiere and quicktime so i should learn that to be consistant
Kend^: yeah, dex, he uses a blue screen. all mine are mostly transparent with little bitty holes to help keep the bugs out
Dexter Fong: hear
mrmuckle: .............(my hands/fingers aren't cooperating as well as they should...) Video editing seems interesting...(!)
cat: the whole purpose of my getting into the "movie biz" is just to make more video for the bitsite
Merlyn LeRoy: cat, here's one that is a web page, using premiere on a PC: http://www.comteche.com/data/tutorials/3d_studio_max/tutorials_3d_max/3d-studio=002.asp
Kend^: not lately. i hope he's ok. i think i'll shoot him an email if he doesn't show up tonight
Dexter Fong: In Baltimore, they paint lovely scenes on their screens...and exhibit them
cat: yeah,where's klok when you need him?
Dexter Fong: He's not been here since his friend died
cat: ok, i just added those to my bookmarks list.
cat: funny, i cant seem to leave the chat and go to any other place without leaving the chat
Merlyn LeRoy: should help you figure out what's still missing
Kend^: cat, are you going in a separate window? that always works for me
cat: i'm sure they will, merl
mrmuckle: ADOBE used to offer "lessons" of various products ..online.. on their site
cat: and i still have 2 weeks.
cat: i was considering taking that final cut class in april, but if premiere lets me do what i want to do, why bother?
Merlyn LeRoy: cat, can you just open a new browser window?
Merlyn LeRoy: you should be able to chat in one window and surf in the other
cat: i have no idea how to do that.
cat: you can understand why i cant get a sophisticated piece of software to work
Merlyn LeRoy: probably pull down the File menu and pick New or New Window
mrmuckle: OR rt-clik on link and choose Open in New Window
Kend^: cat: i think all browsers have a way of opening a new window. i think i recall either alt-n or ctrl-n (n=new)
cat: oh i see. it now says blank page. you mean i can go there and then somewhere else?
Merlyn LeRoy: yep
Kend^: you can have many open at once and alternate by clicking at the bottom
cat: yeah, doc showed me how to do that, but he only visits once every few years
cat: thanks, techies
Dave: it's control N in IE
Kend^: i use mozilla, and can open new tabs within one browser window. i love it for that reason alone
Merlyn LeRoy: I use really old crufty browsers to make sure the web site works with old junk
Dexter Fong: crufty? crafty?
cat: krufty the clown?
Dexter Fong: Olde Englishe spellinge
Merlyn LeRoy: crufty!
cat: its what happens when you consume too many kraft products
Kend^: crufty is a small island near australia where they have computer farms, raise techies
Dexter Fong: I like the crufts cut off my sangwiches
Dave: spare a Pentium chip for an old X Crufter?
Dave: take off on Life of Brian
Dexter Fong: lol
Kend^: i use the new pentium pringles, no broken chips
Merlyn LeRoy: Hacker's dictionary: http://jargon.watson-net.com/jargon.asp?w=crufty
Dave: do they Pop like in the commercials kend?
Kend^: they don't pop, but they mom quite well
Dexter Fong: Thanks Merl =)
Kend^: thanks, brian, i learned a new word today!
Dexter Fong: A more powerful vocabulary can open the door to success
cat: so i right clicked that, said open in new window. then i clicked the x to cancel it and had to start all over again.
cat: maybe x does not mark the spot
Kend^: avast, ye maties, x ALWAYS marks the spot
cat: i thought G did
Merlyn LeRoy: I'm in the jargon file: http://jargon.watson-net.com/jargon.asp?w=Obfuscated+C+Contest
Dexter Fong: Who let the Salty Dogs out? Argh Argh ArghArgh
Merlyn LeRoy: har har, dex
Dexter Fong: War War Merl
Kend^: with me, it's never "hair, hair"
cat: i've been hairless in ginza
Dave: I have a question, none of yall would happen to know a website where they give a list of "national days?" like "this day is designated national ... day"
Dexter Fong: Klok would know
cat: sounds like the daily show
Kend^: i used to get an email once a month that had a listing of them, but don't any more
Merlyn LeRoy: let's send out a BUNCH of emails announcing "National Spam Day"
Dexter Fong: lol
||||||||| "9:51 PM? 9:51 PM!!" says Catherwood, "doctec should be here by now...oh, THERE you are!" as doctec enters and sits on the couch.
doctec: yo
Kend^: with an embedded link to the hormel corp?
mrmuckle: Spam spam spam spam
Kend^: hey doc
Dexter Fong: Oh, there you are Doc
Dave: there's a couch here
Dave: is there a bathroom here too?
Kend^: sit a spell, take a load off
cat: i get kicked out again and doc shows up. coincidence?
Kend^: dave: just pee in the stream out back
Dexter Fong: Yes but it's Occupado
mrmuckle: it's over in the CORNER!!!
Dexter Fong: The room with the traingular toilet?
cat: what are all these spaniards doing here?
Merlyn LeRoy: that's no corner, that's a bezier curve
doctec: cat: i like the new transition change ideas, consider them done. (just read your email before logging in)
cat: good to hear, doc
cat: we'll have to ask merl if he wants to do another nasa line.
Dave: pero necesito el banyo y una chica ahora
Merlyn LeRoy: sure; can you email some of my earlier lines, so I can try to match?
Dexter Fong: Dave: You ain't gonna be banging no chicas tommorow
mrmuckle: that's no lady! That's my wife!!!
doctec: lili just made dinner, i can't chat long
Merlyn LeRoy: what's a nasal ine?
doctec: like maybe two minutes
Dave: can I have some of the lines please
Dave: and a straw
doctec: nasaline - why can't'cha be true ....
cat: limes? they're all in coconuts
cat: and boy are the marx brothers mad
Kend^: karl and groucho
mrmuckle: AHA! Nilsson!
doctec: brian: cat came up with a new line for Red Shift he needs from you
Kend^: anyone care to discuss phil spector and his dilemma?
Dexter Fong: What dyah got to offer Ken?
cat: according to leno, the la times headline was about spector. also that bummer in space and iraq, later on the page
Dexter Fong: Wait...Maybe Phil did off her
doctec: only that Ronnie was quoted as saying (re divorce) "I had to get out or I would have been dead."
doctec: ok, dinner is here - can't chat - brian I'll email you details re Red Shift Line - gotta go (I feel like Ian Shoales)
Kend^: from what i've read, he was always on the edge, or slightly over
||||||||| doctec leaves to catch the 9:58 PM train to Hellmouth.
Merlyn LeRoy: I figured, doc: can you send the line I have previous to the new line? So I can match the tone
cat: by doc
cat: eat well
cat: i'm sure he can, merl
Dexter Fong: Merl: Am enjoying the new entrance and exit lines
Kend^: just follow the yellow line
Dexter Fong: I ain't no coward
Merlyn LeRoy: I put some more in
Kend^: and the red zone is for loading and unloading only
Dexter Fong: Thought that was for commies
cat: only commy martyrs
||||||||| Catherwood enters the room, strikes a gong, and bellows "THE TIME IN NEW YORK IS 10 O'CLOCK", then silently exits.
Kend^: commies are passť now, think ba'ath
mrmuckle: commie martyrs high
Dexter Fong: I reckon most of the martyrs we're in fact commies
Dexter Fong: actually meant *not* commies Duh
cat: gives a whole new meaning to the term blood bath
Dexter Fong: New Virgin Blood Bubble Bath cubes
Dave: there isn't any way you could lessen that blow of the gong? some of us need to keep our hearing
Dexter Fong: For a more sanguine view of life
||||||||| Gusts of wind blow in from outside and the thumpa-thumpa-thumpa of helicopter blades is heard as Happy Panditt's chopper lands on the lawn and Elayne disembarks at 10:02 PM.
cat: hey el
Elayne: Evenin' all! Ding-dong, the witches are dead
Dexter Fong: Hi Elayne
Kend^: hey elayne
Dexter Fong: Your neighbors moved?
Dave: hey El
Elayne: Six days ago, Dex (about five minutes to midnight)!
Elayne: And it's been glorious!
Dexter Fong: =))))) Great
Kend^: the sounds of silence?
Elayne: Of course, we got our rent increase notice the same day, so we have to move anyway, we can't afford to stay here any more.
cat: great news
cat: not so great
Dexter Fong: Sheesh
Elayne: We just found a really nice place in Staten Island.
cat: no noisy neighbours?
Kend^: so now you have to ride the fairy every day?
Dave: not that you were counting, eh E? can you tell us the exact second please, no, make that milisecond
Dexter Fong: Whereabouts E?
Elayne: We have to talk to my parents about helping us with the down payment, but if they do then we're pretty well set, it's in a great location.
Elayne: Dex, on Richmond Avenue about halfway between two major supermarket-based strip malls. :)
Elayne: There are some really great townhouses in that area.
Elayne: The express bus to Manhattan stops right outside.
Dexter Fong: E: Everything on SI is about halfway between strip malls
Elayne: You'd think, Dex, but most of them don't have major supermarkets.
Elayne: And remember, we don't have a car, we need to be in walking distance.
Kend^: i guess we non new yorkers thought most of staten island was a landfill
Dexter Fong: Richmond Ave...pretty far west, yes?
||||||||| Outside, the 10:06 PM downtown bus from Funfun Town pulls away, leaving Bunnyboy coughing in a cloud of diesel fumes.
Elayne: Well, I was under that impression for a long while as well, Ken, but it's only in a few areas.
Bunnyboy: lo dere
cat: hi bunny
Dexter Fong: High dere
Kend^: hey bun
Elayne: Nope, Dex, about in the middle of the northern section of SI. To the west of the mall, though.
Elayne: Hey Bunnyboy!
Elayne: So did I miss DocTech tonight?
Merlyn LeRoy: hey bb
cat: by a hare
Dexter Fong: E: That's pretty far west =)
Elayne: Dang.
Dexter Fong: Yes E
Bunnyboy: El: Caught a liddle RED SHIFT bit of you and Robin. Is swell, yes?
cat: who could resist that delicious threat?
Elayne: Haven't heard it yet, Bunnyboy, but now that the neighbors are gone we can listen to stuff again...
cat: her and robin will be the next socialist millionaires
cat: only in production stage, el.
Elayne: Will probably play Box of Time for Robin tomorrow.
cat: we're just sharing files
Kend^: now that the neighbors are gone, you can run around naked again!
Elayne: Well Ken, we never stopped doing tha-- oops, TMI.
Kend^: lol! got pictures you wish to share? inquiring minds want to know
cat: boxtime for robin and germany
cat: winter for poland and, no, wrong musical
Bunnyboy: Win tears for Poland and France.
Merlyn LeRoy: wrong musical within a musical
Elayne: Don't be stupid, be a smartie!
Bunnyboy: Save some for Yugoslavia.
Merlyn LeRoy: wrong musical within a movie converted to a musical
Kend^: france ez crying ze bluez at u.n.
Bunnyboy: The touring production of THE PRODUCERS opened in Seattle last nite. It's been sold to 96 percent capacity for months.
Merlyn LeRoy: based on an old show business legend vetoed for the Marx Brothers' "Night at the Opera"
Dexter Fong: Ken: They been crying the bluez since they lost the Suez
cat: it was on tv here. missed it
Kend^: hey bun, know anything about spokane? a friend of a friend lives there, says i could get a job in hours if i moved.
cat: its close to ME, for one
cat: austin lives there, so it cant be all bad
Dexter Fong: Lot farther from Elayne though
Merlyn LeRoy: and someone named spokane lives in austin
Dexter Fong: That orator...he's well Spokane
Elayne: Nobody lives near me. Ever. :)
cat: can you actually get that job before moving, kend?
Kend^: e: i've never even been in your fair city
Dexter Fong: E: 'cept people you dont want
cat: as i recall your house wasnt exactly and easy sell
Kend^: cat: i got the phone number tonight, but advised to call on the weekend
cat: well, dex and doc do, el
Kend^: cat: i could rent this place in minutes. i just would rather sell and be done with it
Bunnyboy: Kend^: (*clears throat*) erhm...I was raised in Spokane. Oh, the shame!
cat: no, not spokane, austin's in tacoma. i just cant keep those washington cities straight
Bunnyboy: Spokane is Eastern Washington (1 hour from Couer d'Alene, ID). Seattle is Western Washington.
cat: well any income is better than NO income, kend
cat: aha
Dexter Fong: I thought it was Yakima, man
cat: how far from seattlle?
Bunnyboy: Kend^: What city would you be trading up?
Merlyn LeRoy: austin's in a coma?
mrmuckle: or Pe Ell
Merlyn LeRoy: in a comma? or a semi-colon powell
Kend^: trading up? i'm in sturgis michigan now. not exactly a hot spot
Bunnyboy: cat: 5-6 hours, by road.
Dexter Fong: Merl: No, he's always like that when he's not here
cat: that's a lot further than vancouver
Kend^: washington is that vast?
Dexter Fong: Half vast Ken
Merlyn LeRoy: washington is half-vast
cat: half caste woman?
Merlyn LeRoy: half-vast minds think alike
Dexter Fong: A vast! It's those Salty Dogs again. Argh Argh ArghArgh
cat: avast, me mateys
Bunnyboy: Well, I lived in Spokane for 15 years or so. My folks live there. It's OK, but I won't live there again. Not a bad place to raise yer kids up.
Bunnyboy: Midline arts scene.
Dexter Fong: Bun: YOu won't live there again? You get banned?
cat: i had no idea it was that far away from, uh, civilization
cat: but then compared to sturgis...
Kend^: no kids here. i looked on map, looks like it's the middle of nowhere. climate bad? too many mountains?
Bunnyboy: Dex: I banned myself. It SNOWS in Spokane!
Dexter Fong: Ken: YOu like Grizzly bears? Wild cats? Wolves? You'll love it
Kend^: here i'm 3 hrs from both chicago and detroit if i want a big city. and i'm 1 hr from several mid-level cities
cat: we get a spokane tv station in vancouver so i thought it fairly close
Dexter Fong: Cat: It's the magic of electronics
Kend^: bun: news flash--it snows here too. but i'm wondering if it's mild there most of the time, or intensely wintry
cat: so spokane sounds like a step down
Bunnyboy: Kend^: Here, Seattle or Portland are your big city visits.
cat: not to mention Vancouver
Bunnyboy: Spokane usually has plenty harsh winters, and hot, hot summers.
Kend^: wow, 6 hrs away? not sure i want to be that far out in the wilds
cat: well there was this big grizzlie bear, you see
Kend^: damn. i can get the hot summer without the harsh winter by moving home to florida. and i'll have friends and relatives there
Dexter Fong: Ken: Maybe that's why it's so easy to get a job there?
cat: makes cents
Dexter Fong: minimum wage too?
Bunnyboy: Damn, yer Fats, Waller.
Kend^: dex: could be the case. since i've never been there, i'm real hesitant about burning all my bridges to get to somewhere i don't like
cat: good point, kend
Dexter Fong: ex: Takes Bun's comment in stride
Kend^: well, friend's friend runs computer company, says they are always looking for talented or trainable people
Bunnyboy: I'm not dissing Spokane. I just bin dere, done dat.
Bunnyboy: All my family live there, and they're cool.
Elayne: Oh, before I forget. Everyone remember the preacher at the end of How Can You Be...?
Kend^: i would be happier, i think, in the south, with visits to the northwest
Elayne: Where he was going on about anointing with oil and such?
Dexter Fong: E: Yes?
Elayne: Well, my ex-husband sent me this website. Check it out: http://www.democracymeansyou.com/satire/explainified.htm
cat: anointing oil, indeed
Kend^: e: you talking about bush/cheney?
Bunnyboy: Here in this Shell, yes...
Kend^: i've seen that one, sure reminds me of firesign
Elayne: Yes, I think the poster at that site is quite similar...
cat: very good, el
Elayne: Was my thought too, Ken. I blogged about it yesterday.
Dexter Fong: Funny..they've rewritten that bit many times...with the mergers it keeps getting shorter
Kend^: i still haven't quite gotten blog into my vocabulary. it almost sounds like something you'd say leaning over the toilet after too many beers to me
cat: speaking of anointing oil, there's a guy in vancouver who's been railing on and on on pot-tv about how jesus and everyone else used cannabis as an annointing oil. now he's starting to get printed in ny times, wahs post, london papers, etc
Elayne: Oh, on my blog there's a link (on the sidebar) to a great definition.
Dexter Fong: Ken: One too many glasses of the swedish drink Bloug
Elayne: http://elayneriggs.blogspot.com
Kend^: cat: i've seen that reference several times in past few months
Elayne: The link goes to http://www.yourdictionary.com/cgi-bin/wotd.cgi?word=blog
cat: just posted to phil austin's blog today for the first time in a long while
cat: he was complaining doctec and i dont post there enuf
cat: well, he knows where to find us thursday nights
Elayne: I wasn't aware anyone besides the 4or5 could post to Fireblog.
Elayne: Or are you talking about the message board thingie, the Mindless Fellowship Pavillion?
cat: sure, just register. there are at least 20 of us. its austin's private blog, not the firesign one
Elayne: Oh, his private one. Will do, thanks Cat.
cat: no, pa's blog of the unknown. he wants posters
cat: or maybe just futons, i dont know
Elayne: Well, he has to update it more frequently if he wants folks to comment and post...
Bunnyboy: El: Seattle's actually having a full-blown comix convention on Sunday.
Bunnyboy: In the Seahawks Exhibition Center.
cat: the last thing i posted to the mindless fellowship pavillion were those pix of statues in venice that look to me a lot like the firesigns
Elayne: You going, Bunnyboy?
Bunnyboy: El: Mais oui. They're handing out grab-bags to the first 2000.
Elayne: Oh yeah, that's the Emerald City Con. Heard a lot of good things about it. Website at http://www.emeraldcitycomicon.com/
Elayne: Say hi to John Cassady from Elayne and Robin Riggs.
Elayne: We saw John last month, he said he'd ask around re: work for Robin.
Elayne: And tell Pia Guerra I said hi too, she and I had a neat conversation on a message board.
cat: thnis isnt neal's son, i trust
Dexter Fong: Hoppy's
Elayne: No, I misspelled his last name, it's actually Cassaday.
cat: dad's death just came and went, nicely noted on salon
Dexter Fong: E: Spelled it the same way twice
cat: that reminds me, i haven't written to krassner since i got back from europe, and that is an increasingly long time ago
cat: when i get a better handle on all this new video stuff to learn, i'll put the europe trip on on the seemreal.com site for you all to come along, enjoy the tapas
||||||||| "10:35 PM? 10:35 PM!!" says Catherwood, "doctec should be here by now...oh, THERE you are!" as doctec enters and sits on the couch.
doctec: back for a short while (boy that was good lentil soup)
cat: hey el, he's back
Kend^: wb, tom
Elayne: No Dex, added the third "a" on the second spelling.
Dexter Fong: Oh, there you are Doc...again=0
Elayne: Hi Tom!
Dexter Fong: Right you are El
Elayne: Tom, we sush'ed at Monster tonight.
doctec: hey there - back for another half hour of gaiety and merriment
doctec: oooh, monster sushi
Elayne: We must take you and Lili there (it's in Manhattan, they have at least two good locations we've tried).
doctec: what a treat that must've been
Elayne: Ah, you've been then?
doctec: go-jira unagi
Elayne: The absolute best, freshest sushi in Manhattan.
doctec: no, haven't been but i've heard you rave about it
doctec: o it must be good
Bunnyboy: lo Doc
Elayne: It is. Come down for yourself and see. :)
Kend^: i just heard recently that wasabi isn't like peppers at all. if i said i didn't like hot stuff, should i still avoid it?
Dexter Fong: Wasabi is like mustard...real hot
Bunnyboy: MAAKIES had a great under-strip today:
doctec: hey
doctec: bb
Bunnyboy: "This sushi is TERRIBLE!"
doctec: likely have new lines for you to record and/or do music for
doctec: this weekend
Bunnyboy: "Well, we couldn't catch any fish, so we're using raw chicken."
Kend^: lol, bun
mrmuckle: wasabi isn't made from peppers - it's japanese Horseradish...and HOT!
Bunnyboy: doc: Excellent
cat: so that's why they started ww2
Elayne: You do NOT want to sniff wasabi, by the way.
mrmuckle: they wanted our peppers
Kend^: what i was told was that it was hot, but not overwhelmingly so, and didn't linger in the mouth like peppers did. a flash of flavor is how they described it
Dexter Fong: Nor take in suppository form either
cat: hot under the collar and all
Dexter Fong: Ken: Hot flash
Bunnyboy: El: What, you don't like to sneeze?
mrmuckle: even your eyes sweat
doctec: i heard about this stand-up comic from the south who had a line about sushi and wasabi
Kend^: i think if i do try it, will be in milligram dosage not kilos
Bunnyboy: Wasabi has horseradish.
Dexter Fong: Yes Bun
doctec: he'd never had it before, asked his friend "what's this green stuff?" - friend says "wasabi - try some it's really good" - friend not looking, he thought he was supposed to take in like a forkful, eat it straight
cat: oh el, it's not Exactly a comic book but i just started a wonderful illustrated novel today called The Kidnapping of the Painter Miro by Paul Hartal
Elayne: Ohhhh dear.
doctec: ...he could SEE his sinuses...
Kend^: doc; my dad did that to my grandfather with chinese mustard once. damned near got disinherited for it
doctec: k^: i bet!
Elayne: I love Miro's work, Cat. I keep thinking Miro was female because his first name was Joan, but you know them wacky Europeans.
cat: the spanish J, el. i suggest if its in a library near you, check it out
Dexter Fong: Jean or Jean?
doctec: the Jean Genie
cat: we went to his museum in barcelona. mind boggling
Kend^: juan?
Dexter Fong: Two?
doctec: hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhwaannnn
Bunnyboy: I gotta go tend to Bunnette and our 11 week old Cavalier King Charles Spaniel, Henry.
Kend^: if you've seen juan, you've seen amahl
Dexter Fong: Buckle your Musket
Kend^: later, bun
doctec: nite bb - will get in touch this weekend
cat: by bun, thanks for the red shift work
Dexter Fong: Night Bun
Bunnyboy: doc: Solid.
Bunnyboy: nite, chez
Merlyn LeRoy: nite bb
doctec: yeah, when i get it inserted into the production i'll point you to the mp3
doctec: oh hey elayne i forgot to say i have mp3 of red shift scratch mix - up to the point where we hear you & robin
Kend^: i just got a nice "out of memory" warning here. think i'll try rebooting. if i don't return, then see you next week
||||||||| Around 10:45 PM, Bunnyboy walks off into the sunset...
Elayne: Yeah Tom, I think Ken and Cat were mentioning that before.
doctec: nite bb
cat: good luck, kend
Dexter Fong: Yikes...Night K
doctec: er, kend^
Elayne: Hey, they're dropping like flies!
cat: but some come back, like cats
||||||||| Kend^ leaves to catch the 10:46 PM train to Hellmouth.
Elayne: I think I'm next, it was a loooong trek down to and back from SI today... gonna enjoy the rest of my vacation week now, have a toke or two...
doctec: forgot to email you about it last weekend
cat: keep on enjoying, el
doctec: look at your pvt msgs
Elayne: I see it, Tom, and I'll bookmark it, thanks.
Dave: I'm still here, just been doing other stuff
cat: keep on stuffing
cat: proc mentioned a new firesign album in his planet today
doctec: that's ok - i understand - sign here
Dexter Fong: Cat: Wht'd he say
cat: i'dhave to go look for it, but when i leave here, i tendto have major problems returning. dont you get th planet?
Dave: and here, and here, and here, and here, and, here, and... here, and here
doctec: i haven't had time to read the latest pp - have it on my home pc (i'm at lili's right now)
Dave: probably the funniest part of electrition in my opinion
Dexter Fong: Yes Cat...just haven't had time to check it...taking the easy way out =)
Dave: hey, where should I start with a Frank Zappa record, I know nothing about him and thought I'd find one at the library, any ideas?
Merlyn LeRoy: cat, can you remember what word(s) he used?
cat: yes, artemis records. stuff from npr. i didnt know there was enuf for an album
doctec: wait, i can get to it after all
Merlyn LeRoy: oh yeah, that.
cat: who is artemis? are they big enuf to promote it? it sounds more like a premium for npr subscribers renewing
Dexter Fong: Dave: Really don't know much about Zappa's music
doctec: looks like it will be tied in as another npr pledge goodie
cat: i loved his early stuff, but then i was there in la at the time it was just coming out
doctec: oh my, fz - one of my heroes
doctec: if bb were here, he'd chime in
doctec: ok, there's the thing about zappa: he rarely does any one kind of thing
cat: i would recommend Just Another Band from LA. you can hear me in the background cheering
Dexter Fong: Maybe Ruben and the Weasels?
cat: eddie the mountain is almost firesonian
Dexter Fong: Flo 'n Eddie the Mountain?
cat: edie are you kidding?
cat: that is a seriously firesonian bit
doctec: the one thing you can count on in most of his records, however, is music that somehow combines stravinshy and charles ives style themes done in a spike jones / manic circus music style
Dave: but where should I start, should I start with "freak out" or a greatest hits collection or...
doctec: that's why it's so tough, he spanned so many genres in his work
Dave: I research everything and found that "freak out" was his first
mrmuckle: Weasel's Ripped My Flesh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cat: gotta meet the gurneys and a dozen gray attorneys
Dexter Fong: Dave: I always recommend..start at the beginning and listen as the artist grows and changes
doctec: maybe the best thing(s) to start out with would be the stuff that sold the best when it came out: overnite sensation / apostrophe, one size fits all
Dexter Fong: ...adn get off when you've heard enough
cat: freak out is the only mothers CD i have, but Just Another Band is my fave. also lots of good jazzy stuff like hot rats
doctec: work your way forward & backward through his catalog from those three records
cat: freak out has a song about the recently concluded watts riot that's a classic to this day
doctec: or pick up where he had the best backing group of musicians - the double-album "roxy & elsewhere"
cat: actaully both zappa and bergman wanted to be the beatles of their genre in la at the time
doctec: that was circa '75, probably the thing that followed one size fits all
Dave: the library has 'freak out" so I think I'll start with that one cause I can just burn it and if I don't like it I don't have to keep it
cat: and both succeeded, in their own ways
cat: good choice, dave
cat: a very rich and varied oeuvre
Dexter Fong: oevre and out, too
doctec: freak out is the first zappa album, more raw sounding, veers between '50's r&b and hippie-influenced 3am in the studio let's just make weird noisees stuff
||||||||| It's 11:00 PM, and that means it's time to play BEAT THE REAPER! And here's how our contestants did:
||||||||| Elayne - dead from the fiddlers
||||||||| Better luck next time! And now, back to our chatroom, which is already in progress...
cat: thefiresign even refer to him in thier dope humours of the 70s bit
mrmuckle: FZ: "What's the ugliest part of your body? Some say it's your nose, some say it's your toes, but I say...it's...your...
cat: by el
mrmuckle: MIND!!!>>>"
Dexter Fong: hose?
Dave: but does one necessarily have to be under the influence of drugs to like FZ? cause my dad knew some guys who left a FZ concert in about '67 because they said you'd have to be on LSD or something to understand what the hell was going on
doctec: that line is from "we
||||||||| Catherwood enters the room, strikes a gong, and bellows "THE TIME IN NEW YORK IS 11 O'CLOCK", then silently exits.
Dave: mind you, I like Firesign and have never been one drugs at all
doctec: line is from "we're only in it for the money"
cat: actually frank very anti-drug
mrmuckle: Frank Zappa was a non-user.
Dexter Fong: Dave: It's not easy listening...but it is well informed and constructed and genuine music
doctec: yes, if you were in frank's band and he found out you were doing drugs you were out
Dexter Fong: Perofrmed single a lot i guess
Dave: hmmmm, why not, I like a challenge, hence my Firesign love
doctec: believe it or not he had quite a loyal group of musicians pass through the ranks
Dexter Fong: Doc: Yes...just riffing =)
cat: the little feat guys
Dexter Fong: Little People?
doctec: when miles davis's fusion jazz bands started making an impact, word got around through all the guys coming up from music school that to really break into the jazz music world you apprenticed vwith davis
Dexter Fong: Small faces?
doctec: for other musicians, zappa was an equally good teacher with which to be affiliated
Dexter Fong: Doc: What type of musicians..jazz guys always knew about miles as a star maker
doctec: most of the people who passed through his bands have since gone on to successful music careers are a result of their apprenticeship with fz
doctec: if you really wanted to get take your chops to the max and still play rock music
doctec: zappa could do straight commercial pop and blazing rock, he could do jazz fusion stuff, he came up with dizzyingly complex themes that really tested the playing ability of his crew
Dexter Fong: He studied with a very well known contemporary composer whose name escapes me
doctec: he did it all, you got it all, you could then pick and choose from where you wanted to go in the music biz (whereas the davis students generally went on to do more jazz)
doctec: dex: nicholas slonimsky
Dexter Fong: Doc: It's a calling =)
mrmuckle: Zappa also wrote and conducted his own style of classical music
doctec: i think he wrote the dictionary of music scales
Dexter Fong: D: That's not the name i'm almost remembering
Dexter Fong: Milton Babbit? bah
mrmuckle: Sacren Frenzy???
doctec: muckle: that's what i'm saying - one of the last zappa albums to be released when he was alive was "the yellow shark" - an eastern block small orchestra's renditions of a whole range of zappa material
mrmuckle: yes!
Dave: now there's an interesting idea, this guy seems really inteligent, but, I do have part of Lumpy Gravy on a radio mp3 of mine, and, um, it's weird, it's side two of the record, it sounds like you'd have to be high to get what the hell it means
cat: firesign pal helped get an asteroid named after zappa
cat: yet another firesign connection
doctec: dave: in a lot of that early stuff, he was doing "music concrete" - a style of avant-garde tape music that was pioneered by Edgar Varese
Dexter Fong: Dave: A little secret..being high doesn't help you understand...it just slows it down so you can enjoy the process
doctec: maybe varese is who you're thinking of dex?
Dexter Fong: Might be Doc
Dexter Fong: Efgar?
Dexter Fong: Edgar?
doctec: dave: your take on "lumpy gravy" is why i think you're better off starting in the middle of his back catalog, not the start (lumpy gravy was, i think, the second album released after "freak out" - verrrrry early zappa)
Dexter Fong dex looks at Docs earlier comment...gee great minds =))
doctec: x: yes, edgar
doctec: sorry dex, i'm typing more than i'm reading here
Dexter Fong: My bad..didn't notice you'd already mentioned his first name
Dave: well dear friends, it will be all right presumptiously but I must go take a shower and get ready for tomorrow, thank you for your help, I will order "freak out" tomorrow and see you all next week
doctec: anyway i'm getting looks from lili here that i should wrap things up - and soon
Dexter Fong: Night Dave
cat: all the best to lili
Dexter Fong: Lili? We never talk anymore...
cat: by dave
Dexter Fong: Night Doc
doctec: take care dave, hope ya find some zappa that's to your liking - i've followed him his entire career (will never forget when my brother, 6 yrs older than i was, brought home "freak out" when it was released)
doctec: which gives you an idea how old i am
doctec: so nite all - er, nytol (zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz................................
||||||||| "Hey doctec!" ... doctec turns, and sees Bradshaw approching with the handcuffs, and is dragged away, screaming "it's only 11:14 PM, I don't have to go yet!"...
cat: and even i have to eat dinner Sometime
cat: next week it is then
Dave: bye, don't get down on my level and confront the black dog as best you can
Dexter Fong: Night Cat
||||||||| Dave says "Catherwood, call me a cab." After the obvious joke, Dave exits at 11:14 PM.
Dexter Fong: and night all
||||||||| It's 11:20 PM, and that means it's time to play BEAT THE REAPER! And here's how our contestants did:
||||||||| cat - dead from measles
||||||||| Dexter Fong - dead from dengue fever
||||||||| Better luck next time! And now, back to our chatroom, which is already in progress...
mrmuckle: bye, all.........................
||||||||| mrmuckle leaves to catch the 11:27 PM train to Hellmouth.
Merlyn LeRoy: whoops, was on the phone...bye all......
||||||||| Around 11:32 PM, Merlyn LeRoy walks off into the sunset...
||||||||| Catherwood enters, and announces to all and sundry "It's 4:31 AM, time to change the log file and clean out unused rooms; please log off for a minute or two. Thank you for your patience."

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